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Vanezio Ж Lykastis ([personal profile] wolfoutline) wrote in [community profile] rakuen2012-07-23 02:38 am

F-E-A-R

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/DEFINE FEAR • fear |fi(ə)r|


"noun
an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat

verb [ trans. ]
be afraid of (someone or something) as likely to be dangerous, painful, or threatening"


CAN YOU AVOID FEAR IF YOU CAN NOT FEEL PAIN

RESPONSE REQUESTED



[ooc: Vane, notably, is actually unconscious when this post goes up. Attempting to track the source of the post will basically lead the tracker in circles through the system's server.]
fracturedsoul: (brobot)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Define "pain".
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fracturedsoul: (brobot)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
IF capacity to experience pain=0
THEN define fear as
noun
an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat

verb [ trans. ]
be afraid of (someone or something) as likely to be dangerous, painful, or threatening


END IF

Is this redefinition adequate?
fracturedsoul: (brobot)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Incorrect.

Non-biological entities can also be "damaged".

Definition of "injury" as solely applicable to biological organisms is inadequate. The violent removal of a robot's limbs or power core qualify as damage or injury, but do not cause "pain".
fracturedsoul: (brobot)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
No. My programming does not include emotional parameters, but merely ironic echoes thereof.

However: I am not representative of all artificial lifeforms.
fracturedsoul: (brobot)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Insufficient data.
fracturedsoul: (i'll hold on to the memory)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 10:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'll just go for the most basic example possible. Say you've got yourself a normal biological entity capable of experiencing pain and feeling fear, and then you just find a way to turn off its pain receptors.

I see no reason that entity's ordinary emotional responses to threats of injury or death should magically change.
fracturedsoul: (pic#3557846)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Fair enough.

I'm gonna need some additional context before I go on. Who, or what, are you?
fracturedsoul: (give my heart)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ...somebody actually goddamn named their AI fucking H.U.B.R.I.S. are you shitting me ]

Ok.

As you yourself pointed out in your opening query, and as Brobot helpfully clarified for you, there are more things to fear than just pain.

A human being assured of a quick and painless death is likely to still fear.
fracturedsoul: (pester pester)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-23 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Emotion isn't something that can be concisely wrapped up in a pretty little word package like that. You either understand it or you don't, and if you aren't programmed to experience it then I strongly suspect you fall in the latter category.

Why are you making these queries?
fracturedsoul: (place on me the burden of the past)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-24 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Details? Maybe I can help.

[ Probably not, considering he still doesn't remember how this programming shit works, but it's worth a shot. ]
fracturedsoul: (that you never really had a choice)

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[personal profile] fracturedsoul 2012-07-30 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
So in short, you think you might be afraid of something.

What input causes these output irregularities to surface?
fracturedsoul: (facepalm)

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Wow. Super helpful.

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